diff --git a/admin/rfc.sh b/admin/rfc.sh
index a37426b9b..06f050613 100755
--- a/admin/rfc.sh
+++ b/admin/rfc.sh
@@ -358,7 +358,7 @@ create)
           -f "./doc/devel/rfc_dropped/${name}.txt" ]]; then
         echo "$name.txt exists already"
     else
-        source ./doc/devel/template_rfc.sh >"./doc/devel/rfc_pending/${name}.txt"
+        source ./doc/devel/template/new_rfc.sh >"./doc/devel/rfc_pending/${name}.txt"
         edit "./doc/devel/rfc_pending/${name}.txt" 2 abstract
         git add "./doc/devel/rfc_pending/${name}.txt"
         process "./doc/devel/rfc_pending/${name}.txt"
diff --git a/doc/devel/template/DIR_INFO b/doc/devel/template/DIR_INFO
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..d8329334d
--- /dev/null
+++ b/doc/devel/template/DIR_INFO
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+skeletons for formal documents
diff --git a/doc/devel/template/YYYY-MM-DD-developerMeetingSummary.txt b/doc/devel/template/YYYY-MM-DD-developerMeetingSummary.txt
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..64d72138f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/doc/devel/template/YYYY-MM-DD-developerMeetingSummary.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,69 @@
+2012-12-12 Lumiera Developers Meeting
+=====================================
+:Author: Everyone Else
+:Date: 2012-12-12
+
+Dec 11, 2012 on #lumiera 20:00 - 23:23 UTC +
+
+__Participants__
+
+ * cehteh
+ * ichthyo
+ * ...
+ 
+_Protocol written by XXXXX_
+
+
+
+Recurring Topics
+----------------
+Discussion of open http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/Lumiera/DesignProcess[design process] drafts.
+
+
+Prop1
+~~~~~
+link:/documentation/devel/rfc_pending/SomeProposal[descriptive name]
+Summary what issues are discussed
+..Details..
+
+Conclusion:: drop it
+
+
+
+Topic 1
+-------
+Summary what is discussed
+
+_cehteh_ points out that...
+
+_joelholdsworth_ adds....
+
+
+Conclusion
+~~~~~~~~~~
+
+ * do this
+ * do that
+
+
+
+Next meeting
+------------
+
+The next meeting will be at Wednesday XX XX 20:00 UTC
+
+
+''''
+
+
+.-- Discussion of details --
+[caption="☉Transcript☉ "]
+----------------------------
+12:51 cehteh key/value pairs
+12:51 gmerlin not sure about that
+12:51 cehteh i am pretty sure that i want that in lumiera
+
+( shortened and tidied transcript of some interesting detailed discussions )
+----------------------------
+
+
diff --git a/doc/devel/template_rfc.sh b/doc/devel/template/new_rfc.sh
similarity index 100%
rename from doc/devel/template_rfc.sh
rename to doc/devel/template/new_rfc.sh