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      Entwerfe auf theoretischer Ebene ein schl&#252;ssiges Konzept, w&#228;hle aber zugleich einen Zugang der dieses von den Fundementen her aufrollt
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      siehe Blender!
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    <pre http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">You might want to rephrase &quot;We also do not support translations that require a re-ordering of the UI&quot; to something like &quot;As of now, we have no plans to support translations that require... &quot;, just to indicate that you're not opposed to the idea itself.</pre>
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      Vorschlag von mir mit m&#246;glichen Themen...
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      Mail-Thread &quot;Workflow document update&quot;
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      Mail-Thread &quot;Workflow document update&quot;, direkt nach unserem Treffen auf der FrOSCon
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      minimale Abweichungen: Wouter hat das Handle der Overlay-Bar schmaler gemacht
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      Noch vor der ersten wirklichen Ver&#246;ffentlichung, so da&#223; die Bilder sich nicht im Core-Git niederschlagen.
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      In v1 hatte Wouter Bilder in kleinerer Aufl&#246;sung eingebaut, die auch noch manuell in Gimp beschnitten werden mu&#223;ten; jetzt k&#246;nnte ich diese allesamt durch die besseren Bilder aus v2 substituieren (und damit ein paar 110k Storage sparen)
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