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2008-05-08 Lumiera Developers Meeting
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:Author: cehteh
:Date: 2008-05-15
__Participants__
* cehteh
* joelholdsworth
* ichthyo
* raffa
* Wes``Lappy
* gmerlin
Boilerplate
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Organization of this meeting
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* cehteh writes the protocol
Webpage-Infrastructure, Maintenance
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clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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_Cehteh_ put this on topic because it's really urgent to bring up some
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infrastructure to manage the information we produce.
The Lumiera pages on pipapo.org were always meant as intermediary
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solution. Pipapo.org gets much spam on the MoinMoin wiki and _Cehteh_
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expresses that he wants to move pipapo.org to a new infrastructure
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based on Asciidoc and Git he created
(see [purple]#`http://git.pipapo.org/uWiki.html` <broken-URL>#).
This system is barely usable
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and needs lots of work to be completed. It would be nice to use it for
Lumiera too, if the others agree. Maintaining and extending
(scripting) needs someone who knows shell scripting and doesn't need
to be done by the core devs freeing their resources to work on
clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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Lumiera. _Cehteh_ expresses that none of the people who proposed to
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help before showed up yet. WesLappy tells he might help (addendum not
this week, because he is busy).
clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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Next there was a suggestion by _Cehteh_ to convert the TiddlyWikis to
Asciidoc. Ichthyo expresses that he likes the TiddlyWikis, Joel
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mentions that they feel a little odd. Generally we all agree that
they have some problems in sense of workflow and merging.
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_Ichthyo_ makes the suggestion to keep the TiddlyWikis as scrapbook and
build up ``official'' documentation based on their content in
whatever-we-use-then (Asciidoc) documentation system. All agree on
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this approach.
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Back to the new wiki, _Cehteh_ suggests to make stricter access rules to
prevent spam: ``There will be a group of `Validated' people which
following rules: only `Validated' people can edit general content and
`Validated' people can add new people to `Validated' themselves''. That
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means that we can have a lightweight self-administrating
authentication where new people have to be introduced by someone who
is already there.
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_Ichthyo_ suggests to send a reply to Serge G., who send an introduction
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to the cinelerra mailing list expressing that he would like to help.
clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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_Raffa_ will take care of content/design as much her time/knowledge permits.
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Conclusion
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* We really need someone to help with the webpage scripting.
* Documentation needs to be well organized and moved over.
clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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* Content of the pipapo.org MoinMoin wiki should be moved over.
* The new website should be well organized with a nice looking front page
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* All other documentation should be below that
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Whats pending in the DesignProcess / RfC
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MistakestoAvoid
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link:{rfc}_dropped/MistakestoAvoid.html[RfC: Mistakes to avoid in the Lumiera Design]
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clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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_rick_777_ wrote a "MistakestoAvoid" page which explains some possible
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gotchas. We basically agree with most points there while we already
decided to address some things differently than he suggested. One
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notable difference is that we do not intent to provide a windows
version of Lumiera, which was explained in several places. _Cehteh_
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added some comments to the page explaining some things.
nothing more to discuss in \'Ideas', we go over to \'Drafts'
ArchitectureOverview
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link:{rfc}/ArchitectureOverview.html[RfC: Architecture Overview]
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clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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_Cehteh_ suggests to put that drawing under version control, as .fig.
Ichthyo explains that it is already a `.SVG` and that he does not favour `.fig`.
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clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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Conclusion:: We agree to keep it as `.SVG`, add it to the repository and
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improve/complete it.
GitSubmoduleTransistion
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clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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link:{rfc}/GitSubmoduleTransistion.html[RfC: Git Submodules]
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clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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Another suggestion made by _Cehteh_ is to make managing of subprojects
within the sourcetree easier. _Joel_ and _Ichthyo_ object that it is not
really needed now and needs more understanding of Git. _Ichthyo_
suggests that the documentation might be separated into its own Git,
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he further explains that the things are not settled yet and we don't
know if we will some rearrangements and movements of files between
modules.
clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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Conclusion:: We transform the documentation to a submodule and see how
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it works. Other things will be decided much later.
GlobalInitialization
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link:{rfc}/GlobalInitialization.html[RfC: Global Init]
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clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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This topic is discussed and agreed on the RfC page already.
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clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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Conclusion:: finalize it
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MasterRepositorySetup
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link:{rfc}/MasterRepositorySetup.html[RfC: Shared Master Repository]
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Setting up an master repository was decided on the last meeting.
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_Cehteh_ now set one up which also does some automatic, but intended
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fragile merging from subsystem maintainer branches.
1. it updates automatically for the maintainers repo for conflict
free fast-forwards
2. it can always be overridden with explicit pushes
The others agree on the setup.
clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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Ichthyo stresses that maintainers shall watch that their `master'
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branch should compile cleanly and pass the testsuite always, test
which are not operational should be tagged as PLANNED. We all
agree, while cehteh's master is currently in a broken state (note:
fixed now).
Then a short discussion about building and synchronizing the docs
follows. Problem is that docs build in maintainer branches are
different for each branch, rsyncing them up to the server will always
clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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change a lot of things. We agree that the ``official'' docs shall be
build from the LUMIERA/master repository, preferably on the "devel"
VServer which has to be set up.
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Conclusions: Make this final, setup build environment in the devel
server and build docs there.
NoBugFlags
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link:{rfc}/NoBugFlags.html[RfC: NoBug flags]
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Defining a debugging control hierarchy. This is work in progress and
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_Cehteh_ explains that he works it out and deploys it, this depends on
the link:{rfc}/GlobalInitialization.html[GlobalInitialization] decided earlier.
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clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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Conclusion:: accepted, finish and finalize it.
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Further Technical Discussion
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_Ichthyo_ asks how the GUI will be pulled up. Since he didn't attend IRC
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discussions recently he has no information yet whats going on. We
explain him that we already made some discussions. Integrate the GUI
into the build system probably linked as library, nothing finally
decided yet. Communication will go over the plugin/interface facility
(Plain C API). This things should be worked out and documented in
clean-up: comb through the historical pages to fix markup errors Some sections of the Lumiera website document meeting minutes, discussion protocols and design proposals from the early days of the project; these pages were initially authored in the »Moin Moin Wiki« operated by Cehteh on pipapo.org at that time; this wiki backed the first publications of the »Cinelerra-3« initiative, which turned into the Lumiera project eventually. Some years later, those pages were transliterated into Asciidoc semi-automatically, resulting in a lot of broken markup and links. This is a long standing maintenance problem problem plaguing the Lumiera website, since those breakages cause a lot of warnings and flood the logs of any linkchecker run.
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link:/x/DesignProcess.html[RfCs].
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_Cehteh_ made a small tool `./admin/headercheck` which will gradually
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extended to proof that headers are sufficiently selfstanding.
Progress
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_Cehteh_ finished low level file handling and working on mmapping and
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frameprovider next. When thats finished, the finalization of the
Plugin loader and interface definition things is the most urgent thing.
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_Ichthyo_ works on the builder internals and next on some sort of
``connection manager''.
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_Joel_ goes on with GUI programming and integrating it into the source
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tree next.
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_Gmerlin_ and _cehteh_ discuss about how to handle the index files which
avdecoder uses internally. _cehteh_ would like to manage them in the
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Lumiera backend to, because filehandles are a precious resource.
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_Gmerlin_ explains that this index files are just loaded and kept in
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memory. So this poses no problem for filehandle exhaustion. We will
discuss this further via email.
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_Cehteh_ suggests that we should think about some kind of
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preferences/registry sometime next to store default configs.
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A a discussion followed about how messages are passed between GUI and
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core. Generally we will use the interfaces defined by the plugin
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system. _Gmerlin_ says that he uses message queues in `gmerlin', _Joel_
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requests that a lot of things should be done synchronous and he wants
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to avoid message queues. _Cehteh_ suggests to use use the scheduler for
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GUI things too. For the parts where the GUI interacts with the high
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level proc model _ichthyo_ and _joel_ agree on working something
(synchronous) out. _Ichthyo_ stresses that the edit core is not
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threadsafe by design and relies on the backends scheduler.
The underlying builder might sometimes to expensive for synchronous
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calls (_ichthyo_ plans a rule system there) this needs to be worked out.
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_Ichthyo_ explains that the builder needs to detect cycles and check if
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the high level model is translateable into the low level model (in
case plugins git removed and so on). Parts in the render graph which
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are not ``doable'' should be flagged as erroneous but not dropped since
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one doesn't want to loose project information when loading a project
on a machine with different installed plugins. In any case it should be
possible that the GUI gets immediate synchronous feedback for such
things.
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