diff --git a/src/stage/timeline/clip-widget.cpp b/src/stage/timeline/clip-widget.cpp
index 8dc718dee..e0d16ccb9 100644
--- a/src/stage/timeline/clip-widget.cpp
+++ b/src/stage/timeline/clip-widget.cpp
@@ -199,7 +199,7 @@ namespace timeline {
           }
         
         void
-        setClipName(cuString newName)  override
+        setClipName(cuString& newName)  override
           {
             clipName_ = newName;
           }
@@ -274,13 +274,13 @@ namespace timeline {
         cuString
         getClipName()  const override
           {
-            return this->get_label();
+            return widget::ElementBoxWidget::getName();
           }
         
         void
-        setClipName(cuString newName)  override
+        setClipName(cuString& newName)  override
           {
-            this->set_label (newName);
+            widget::ElementBoxWidget::setName (newName);
           }
         
         uint
@@ -318,7 +318,7 @@ namespace timeline {
         establishHorizontalExtension()
           {
             int hsiz = getCanvas().getMetric().translateTimeToPixels (accessDuration());
-            cout << "Clip:: hsize="<<hsiz<<endl;
+            cout << "Clip:: hsize="<<hsiz<<endl;     ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////TICKET #1038 : tracing -- remove this
             return hsiz;
           }
         
diff --git a/src/stage/timeline/clip-widget.hpp b/src/stage/timeline/clip-widget.hpp
index c43a278f9..002040ffe 100644
--- a/src/stage/timeline/clip-widget.hpp
+++ b/src/stage/timeline/clip-widget.hpp
@@ -180,7 +180,7 @@ namespace timeline {
       
       /** human readable rendering of the clip's name or identity */
       virtual cuString getClipName()    const =0;
-      virtual void setClipName (cuString)     =0;
+      virtual void setClipName (cuString&)    =0;
       
       virtual TimeVar& accessStartTime()      =0;
       virtual TimeVar& accessDuration()       =0;
diff --git a/src/stage/widget/element-box-widget.cpp b/src/stage/widget/element-box-widget.cpp
index f5f69664a..36a766701 100644
--- a/src/stage/widget/element-box-widget.cpp
+++ b/src/stage/widget/element-box-widget.cpp
@@ -189,19 +189,47 @@ namespace widget {
     }
   
   
-  cuString
-  IDLabel::getCaption()  const
-  {
-    return name_.get_text();
+  namespace {
+    inline bool
+    tmpUnhide (Gtk::Widget& w)
+      {
+        bool was_hidden = not w.is_visible();
+        w.show();
+        return was_hidden;
+      }
+    inline void
+    restoreHide (Gtk::Widget& w, bool was_hidden)
+      {
+        if (was_hidden)
+          w.hide();
+        else
+          w.show();
+      }
   }
   
   void
   IDLabel::setCaption(cuString& idCaption)
   {
+    // can not retrieve size information from hidden widgets...
+    bool hideIcon = tmpUnhide (icon_);
+    bool hideMenu = tmpUnhide (menu_);
+    bool hideName = tmpUnhide (name_);
+    bool hideThis = tmpUnhide (*this);
+    
     name_.set_text(idCaption);
-    show_all();
     // cache required full display size (for size constrained layout)
     queryNaturalSize (*this, labelFullSize_);
+    
+    restoreHide (icon_, hideThis);
+    restoreHide (menu_, hideName);
+    restoreHide (name_, hideMenu);
+    restoreHide (*this, hideIcon);
+  }
+  
+  cuString
+  IDLabel::getCaption()  const
+  {
+    return name_.get_text();
   }
   
   
@@ -219,10 +247,10 @@ namespace widget {
       set_label_align(0.0, 0.0);
       
       set_label_widget(label_);
-      label_.setCaption(config.getName());
       label_.get_style_context()->add_class(CLASS_elementbox_idlabel);
       
       this->show_all();
+      label_.setCaption(config.getName());
     }
   
   
@@ -232,6 +260,12 @@ namespace widget {
     label_.setCaption (nameID);
   }
   
+  cuString
+  ElementBoxWidget::getName()  const
+  {
+    return label_.getCaption();
+  }
+  
   /**
    * Layout trend for ElementBoxWidget is nailed down (`final`) to "height-for-width".
    * The reason is, some of the use cases entail placing the element box onto a canvas
@@ -446,6 +480,8 @@ namespace widget {
   IDLabel::adaptSize (int widthC, int heightC)
   {
     // first determine if vertical extension is problematic
+///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////TICKET #1038 : tracing -- remove this
+    cout << _Fmt{"IDLb:: adaptSize(%d,%d) i:%b m:%b l:%b"} % widthC % heightC % icon_.is_visible() % menu_.is_visible() % name_.is_visible() <<endl;
     int currH = queryNaturalHeight (*this);
     if (currH > heightC)
       {//hide all child widgets,
diff --git a/src/stage/widget/element-box-widget.hpp b/src/stage/widget/element-box-widget.hpp
index cdcdebd72..65ae00a0b 100644
--- a/src/stage/widget/element-box-widget.hpp
+++ b/src/stage/widget/element-box-widget.hpp
@@ -169,6 +169,11 @@ namespace widget {
       // default copy acceptable
       
       void setName(cuString&);
+      cuString getName()  const;
+      
+      ///  redirect Gtk::Frame setters to ElementBoxWidget
+      void set_label(cuString& s) { setName(s); }
+      cuString get_label()  const { return getName(); }
       
     private:/* ===== Internals ===== */
       
diff --git a/wiki/thinkPad.ichthyo.mm b/wiki/thinkPad.ichthyo.mm
index 02b8c38b2..ce8492969 100644
--- a/wiki/thinkPad.ichthyo.mm
+++ b/wiki/thinkPad.ichthyo.mm
@@ -20924,7 +20924,7 @@
 </node>
 </node>
 </node>
-<node BACKGROUND_COLOR="#fdfdcf" COLOR="#ff0000" CREATED="1666286511402" ID="ID_901100748" MODIFIED="1666286681653" TEXT="Constraint-handling versagt u.U f&#xfc;r das Label">
+<node COLOR="#435e98" CREATED="1666286511402" ID="ID_901100748" MODIFIED="1666308082637" TEXT="Constraint-handling versagt u.U f&#xfc;r das Label">
 <icon BUILTIN="broken-line"/>
 <node BACKGROUND_COLOR="#eee5c3" COLOR="#990000" CREATED="1666286569009" ID="ID_571211770" MODIFIED="1666286670640" TEXT="Beispiel: Clip-1 : Duration 1s">
 <icon BUILTIN="forward"/>
@@ -20938,8 +20938,70 @@
 <icon BUILTIN="broken-line"/>
 </node>
 </node>
-<node BACKGROUND_COLOR="#fdfdcf" COLOR="#ff0000" CREATED="1666286588511" ID="ID_1014622465" MODIFIED="1666286603787" TEXT="Untersuchung">
+<node COLOR="#435e98" CREATED="1666286588511" ID="ID_1014622465" MODIFIED="1666308061322" TEXT="Untersuchung">
 <icon BUILTIN="yes"/>
+<node CREATED="1666307200947" ID="ID_712219112" MODIFIED="1666307460841" TEXT="Verdacht: setCaption() manipuliert visibility">
+<icon BUILTIN="button_cancel"/>
+<node CREATED="1666307233042" ID="ID_1411306141" MODIFIED="1666307262873" TEXT="...und w&#xfc;rde dadurch das differenzierte, partielle Verbergen st&#xf6;ren"/>
+<node CREATED="1666307264414" ID="ID_594632089" MODIFIED="1666307445275" TEXT="&#x27f9; sollte den tats&#xe4;chlichen visibility-Status wiederherstellen">
+<richcontent TYPE="NOTE"><html>
+  <head>
+    
+  </head>
+  <body>
+    <p>
+      nach dem Setzen eines neuen Label-Texts m&#252;ssen wir die L&#228;nge des IDLabel erneut ausmessen, und dazu m&#252;ssen alle seine Komponenten vorr&#252;bergehend visible() gesetzt werden; hatte bisher darauf gesetzt, da&#223; der size-constraint-Algo dann von selber wieder auf den richtigen Status kommt...
+    </p>
+  </body>
+</html></richcontent>
+</node>
+<node CREATED="1666307446440" ID="ID_165108662" MODIFIED="1666307458008" TEXT="aber das bewirkt rein gar nix">
+<icon BUILTIN="stop-sign"/>
+</node>
+</node>
+<node BACKGROUND_COLOR="#e0ceaa" COLOR="#690f14" CREATED="1666307466288" ID="ID_1621773970" MODIFIED="1666307492593" TEXT="Hilfe... was passiert hier &#x2014; Kontrollverlust">
+<icon BUILTIN="smily_bad"/>
+<node CREATED="1666307500030" ID="ID_999771663" MODIFIED="1666307518501" TEXT="alle Caption-Setter auskommentiert"/>
+<node CREATED="1666307519219" ID="ID_757987414" MODIFIED="1666307528695" TEXT="der komische Text ist immer noch da"/>
+<node CREATED="1666307529508" ID="ID_990701944" MODIFIED="1666307578878" TEXT="und auch der Size-Constraint ist sonderbar(falsch)">
+<richcontent TYPE="NOTE"><html>
+  <head>
+    
+  </head>
+  <body>
+    <p>
+      H&#246;he nur 16px, obwohl doch das Icon mindestens 18px braucht (incl.Border), und das get_required_height() diesen Wert eigentlich liefern sollte
+    </p>
+  </body>
+</html></richcontent>
+</node>
+</node>
+<node COLOR="#db10ad" CREATED="1666307585634" ID="ID_1666781450" MODIFIED="1666307620469" TEXT="AUA!!">
+<icon BUILTIN="smiley-oh"/>
+<node CREATED="1666307623237" ID="ID_1740179483" MODIFIED="1666307643118" TEXT="ClipWidget ruft immer noch Frame::set_label() auf"/>
+<node CREATED="1666307644363" ID="ID_1158991887" MODIFIED="1666307653429" TEXT="ja in der Tat, die Funktion ist noch sichtbar"/>
+<node CREATED="1666307654257" ID="ID_662041930" MODIFIED="1666307709729" TEXT="sie schie&#xdf;t unser tolles Custom IDLabel ins Nirvana">
+<richcontent TYPE="NOTE"><html>
+  <head>
+    
+  </head>
+  <body>
+    <p>
+      und schaltet den Frame wieder zur&#252;ck auf ein Text-Label, das nat&#252;rlich dann in keinster Weise der size-Constraint-Kontrolle unterliegt
+    </p>
+  </body>
+</html></richcontent>
+</node>
+<node CREATED="1666308020848" ID="ID_1559858341" MODIFIED="1666308033677" TEXT="puh das war aber gut versteckt">
+<font ITALIC="true" NAME="SansSerif" SIZE="12"/>
+</node>
+<node COLOR="#338800" CREATED="1666308048044" ID="ID_1668793880" MODIFIED="1666308056987" TEXT="dann besser diese Setter &#xfc;berdecken">
+<icon BUILTIN="button_ok"/>
+</node>
+</node>
+</node>
+<node COLOR="#435e98" CREATED="1666308065995" ID="ID_1843697802" MODIFIED="1666308081223" TEXT="Fazit: hat gar nicht versagt...">
+<icon BUILTIN="idea"/>
 </node>
 </node>
 <node BACKGROUND_COLOR="#eee5c3" COLOR="#990000" CREATED="1666286684491" ID="ID_825575865" MODIFIED="1666286709542" TEXT="Clip-Dragging funktioniert nur eingeschr&#xe4;nkt">