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Ichthyostega
9225d868bb DOC: Notes regarding the ongoing workflow-discussion 2025-08-31 01:02:49 +02:00
Ichthyostega
43a9036c0d Workflow-publish: minor layout tweaks and spelling fixes 2025-08-31 00:48:44 +02:00
Ichthyostega
537c89298b DOC: FrOSCon meeting -- additions and corrections as proposed by Wouter 2025-08-31 00:47:39 +02:00
Ichthyostega
592622d750 Workflow-publish: adapt additions to Asciidoc 2025-08-23 18:50:13 +02:00
Wouter Verwijlen
f6427474ad Workflow-discussion: Lumiera Workflow Proposals (draft v3) 
...fine-tuned a few small bits here and there in the
   current chapter of the workflow document

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 2025-08-23 17:55:42 +02:00
Ichthyostega
4dba1c816d DOC: FrOSCon meeting -- integrate improvements from Benny 2025-08-23 04:29:08 +02:00
Ichthyostega
4eb24220c9 DOC: FrOSCon meeting -- minor fixes and cross-links 2025-08-23 03:37:08 +02:00
Ichthyostega
6a42606c3a Workflow-publish: adapt additions to Asciidoc 
- add markup to match formatting from PDF
- link to the images extracted into the website Git-repository
- adjust image sizes to fit into the text
- add some cross references

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 2025-08-23 01:55:23 +02:00
Wouter Verwijlen
68633de53b Workflow-discussion: Lumiera Workflow Proposals (draft v2) 
Chapter 2 (about the timeline) is now complete.
- extend discussion regarding trackless
- add section about Tools / Modes / Views
- section: Adding clips to the timeline
- section: Selecting clips
- section: Arranging clips
- section: Trimming clips
- section: Splitting and merging clips
- section: Removing clips
- add subchapter regarding sections of the timeline
- Adding and editing transitions
- Changing timeline clip properties

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 2025-08-22 16:42:55 +02:00
Ichthyostega
262fe7f3bb Workflow-publish: rewrite the text from Wouter into Asciidoc 2025-08-22 01:55:50 +02:00
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@ -126,7 +126,7 @@ Joel Conclusions:
Timeline like this:
image::http://www.kenstone6.net/fcp_homepage/images_fcp_5_new_martin/07_fc_studio_new_martin.jpg[]
image::{imgg}/Joel-Conclusions-UI-layout.jpg[Conclusions for the UI layout]
Tracks
''''''''''

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@ -12,15 +12,16 @@ Present::
End goal::
To produce a design document.
This Meeting is based on the document link:TODO[»Lumiera Workflow Proposals«] by Wouter Verwijlen.
This Meeting is based on the document link:WorkflowProposals.html[»Lumiera Workflow Proposals«] by Wouter Verwijlen.
Wouter travelled to FrOSCon to meet the core team in person. This meeting discussed some central points
of the planned workflow support in the Lumiera GUI. We discussed problems, agreed on various points
and decided to produce a design document. Here we attempt to reconstruct and document the original meeting.
Points discussed
----------------
We agreed upon the importance of a _Magnetic Timeline,_ as introduced by Final Cut X.
However, our link:{ldoc}devel/rfc_final/ProcPlacementMetaphor.html[Placement concept (2008)]
We agreed upon the importance of a link:WorkflowProposals.html#\_tracks_vs_trackless[magnetic timeline],
as introduced by Final Cut X.
However, our link:{ldoc}/devel/rfc_final/ProcPlacementMetaphor.html[Placement concept (2008)]
which predates FCPX's release,footnote:[Final Cut Pro X was
link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Pro#Final_Cut_Pro_X[released in 2011], and the »Magnetic
Timeline« is generally considered a novel concept introduced with this update. The initial reception
@ -53,15 +54,15 @@ navigation tool, with the option to lock moving of clips.
_Wouter_ introduced a context sensitive tool palette which is rendered as an overlay in the timeline UI.
The ability of Tools to support sub-modes is a simple extension of this proposal.
With this functionality, it would be then be possible to switch between trim-, roll-, slide- and slip-edit
With this functionality, it would then be possible to switch between trim-, roll-, slide- and slip-edit
after activating the edit tool. Similarly, the _gear switch_ as proposed in a previous online discussion
would be integrated as a sub-mode if a user decided to manipulate any setting value.
would be integrated as a sub-mode into various other modes if a user decided to manipulate any setting value.
Internationalisation
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The language of the UI is English. This does not mean that we exclude any language
(all contributions are welcome). Certain words and terminology should never be translated, e.g.,
Track, Clip, Placement, ... . We also do not support translations that require a re-ordering
Track, Clip, Placement, ... . We have no plans to support translations that require a re-ordering
of UI elements such as languages written right-to-left. This is due to priorities that we define.
@ -69,8 +70,10 @@ Unlimited Placement Constraints
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The use of fine-grained placement constraints is plagued with overwhelming the user with
excessive relationships. This can be improved by using a small number of prototype set-ups:
magnetic, relative and music anchored. Moreover, we require a diagnostic to reveal the reason why
a given clip is positioned at where it is.
magnetic, relative and music anchored. _Wouter_ points out that a similar scheme can be applied
here as with the flavours of editing: A _placement prototype_ can be pre-selected for a newly added
clip -- with the ability for adjustment through the tool palette. Moreover, we require a diagnostic
to reveal the reason why a given clip is positioned at where it is.
.Routing
_Hermann_ explained how the routing in Render Engine is based on Placements.
@ -112,38 +115,37 @@ _Wouter_ was concerned that it might be tedious to navigate between different ch
especially if it is necessary to expand or collapse these elements repeatedly. One
countermeasure to relieve constant opening and closing elements would be to expand
the elements step wise while still retaining the ability to edit the contents.
Furthermore, rendering a condensed preview of a virtual clip's internal structure
could help to avoid having to open and expand the clip in many situations.
Target audience
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It is important to identify our target audience to be able to obtain a clear
vision of which features are more preferable to include and those features which
might be less suitable to incorporate into Lumiera. This will allow us to
fine-focus into the particular needs of these groups and provide us with a
mechanism to curtail our long feature list. Eventually we might have a list of
features ordered according to priority. Other factors are, of course,
important in determining whether a feature is implemented or not, e.g., effort
required to implement a feature; but we focus solely on identifying our target
audience here.
It is important to identify our target audience to be able to frame a clear
picture of which features are more preferable to include and those features which
might be less suitable to incorporate into Lumiera.
Define such groups will allow us to fine-focus into the particular needs of these groups
and provide us with a mechanism to curtail our long feature list. Eventually we might have
a list of features ordered according to priority.
In his »Lumiera Workflow Proposals«, _Wouter_ identified five groups which mould
most likely be attracted to Lumiera and its goals.
In his link:WorkflowProposals.html[»Lumiera Workflow Proposals«], _Wouter_
identified six groups which would most likely be attracted to Lumiera and its goals.
- The highly specialised editor who works in an environment where different parts of the
post-production of a film are handled by different people: assistant editors, colourists,
audio engineers, etc.
- The allround contracted editor who handles all aspects of post-production
- The allround artistic filmmaker who also edits
- The allround social media creator who values the use of visual effects,
- The all-round contract editor who handles all aspects of post-production
- The all-round artistic filmmaker who also edits
- The all-round social media creator who appreciates the use of visual effects,
motion graphics and sound effects.
- The free-flowing editor who does not have a fixed idea of how the edit should be
and instead wants to play and move things around, and who might not work in a linear
fashion: they might do a bit of colour correction to get a better sense of how a scene feels,
then go back to editing, etc.
- The free-flowing editor without a fixed idea of the edit, who prefers to explore the
footage and move things around, and who might not work in a linear fashion:
they might, for example, do a bit of colour correction to acquire a better feel for a scene
and then go back to coarse-grained editing.
- The editor who has the film already cut in their head and have a very strong sense of
what they want to do and work in a very structured way towards accomplishing this vision.
what they want to do and progress through structured and precise steps towards realising their vision.
These groupings are naturally provisional and will mostly likely change -- which
These groupings are naturally provisional and will most likely change -- which
is very good -- as we add important features that are deemed essential but fit to
no group in our selection.

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@ -3,7 +3,23 @@ Lumiera Workflow Proposals
Date: 2025
//MENU: label Workflow Proposals Verwijlen
//MENU: prepend WorkflowProposals
- TODO include full text of from Wouter
************************
Wouter Verwijlen is a documentary filmmaker from Utrecht (Netherlands).
************************
Many years ago, the Lumiera team first got to know Wouter on occasion
of the link:https://lac.linuxaudio.org/2010/[Linux Audio Conference].
In spring 2025, he proposed to contribute with concept work related to
UI and workflow, drawing on his longtime experience working with all
professional editing software packages as part of his work in media
production and filmmaking. Knowing those applications in and out,
with all their various strengths and weaknesses allows to compile
a comprehensive overview how the central tasks of film editing
are handled by contemporary software solutions -- and how
this handling might be improved.
- link:WorkflowProposals.html[»Lumiera Workflow Proposals«] by Wouter Verwijlen
- link:FrosconMeeting.html[Discussion at FrOSCon 2025]

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Entwerfe auf theoretischer Ebene ein schl&#252;ssiges Konzept, w&#228;hle aber zugleich einen Zugang der dieses von den Fundementen her aufrollt
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siehe Blender!
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In der Tat, daran kann ich mich erinnern, Wouter hat diese naheliegende Konsequenz sofort gesehen. Das sollte in die Zusammenfassung rein
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<pre http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">You might want to rephrase &quot;We also do not support translations that require a re-ordering of the UI&quot; to something like &quot;As of now, we have no plans to support translations that require... &quot;, just to indicate that you're not opposed to the idea itself.</pre>
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<pre http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">I've also watched your FrOSCon presentation last week. Very interesting topic and well presented! I enjoyed watching it and learned a few things about GPU's and Linux that I had no clue about.</pre>
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Vorschlag von mir mit m&#246;glichen Themen...
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Commands operate at a current position
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commands establish parameters and qualifications from current context and previous use
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parameters and qualifications can be adjusted immediately
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Every command structure must map-down to common mouse-based handling standards; however, this down-grade can involve using specific bindings and profiles
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Mail-Thread &quot;Workflow and Structure&quot;
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Mail-Thread &quot;Workflow document update&quot;
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Mail-Thread &quot;Workflow document update&quot;, direkt nach unserem Treffen auf der FrOSCon
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minimale Abweichungen: Wouter hat das Handle der Overlay-Bar schmaler gemacht
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das Bild hatte ich lediglich st&#228;rker komprimiert, um Platz zu sparen
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hier hat Wouter einen neuen Screenshot gemacht (vermutlich war im alten Screenshot die Position des Cursors falsch)
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desen Bilder liegen im <b>Website-Repository</b>
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Noch vor der ersten wirklichen Ver&#246;ffentlichung, so da&#223; die Bilder sich nicht im Core-Git niederschlagen.
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